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What's Fear Got to Do With It | Fear, Growth & the Mind

What's Fear Got to Do With It | Fear, Growth & the Mind

By: Jo Wiese and Anne Wicking
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What's fear got to do with it podcast hosted by Jo Wiese and Anne Wicking explores how fear and challenges shape our lives. Through engaging conversations with diverse guests, we uncover how adversity drives growth and transformation..

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  • When Shame Didn’t Win I Betrayal, Shame & Self-Worth
    Jun 16 2026

    In this conversation, 21-year-old Lauren Jones shares her journey from shame and isolation to self-compassion and strength. At 17, a devastating betrayal by her best friend triggered years of self-loathing, anxiety, and depression. But her story isn't just about surviving those years. It's about discovering what lies on the other side.

    Lauren reveals how shame lived in her body as a physical weight, intensified by the instruction to keep silent. Through solitude by the ocean, vulnerability at a leadership camp where she finally spoke her truth, and the transformative practice of writing compassionate notes to herself, Lauren slowly rebuilt her sense of self-worth.

    She explores how finding the right support, cultivating an inner voice of kindness, and giving herself permission to feel joy ultimately released years of carried shame. This is a story about breaking the silence, discovering you're not alone, and learning to show up for yourself with grace.

    About Our Guest

    Lauren Jones is a 21-year-old university student based in Melbourne majoring in Geography. Having been through her own struggles, she is greatly passionate about helping others, building communities, and learning more about the wonders of the Earth. Lauren spends her spare time trying to live as fantastically as possible.

    Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e11

    00:00 The Life-Altering Conversation

    02:44 Journey Through Self-Doubt and Anxiety

    04:38 Finding Self-Worth and Acceptance

    06:49 The Spiritual Awakening at Inverloch

    09:08 Breaking Through Guilt and Shame

    11:13 The Power of Community and Connection

    17:07 Realizations at the Leadership Conference

    19:20 Sharing My Story: The Importance of Vulnerability

    21:24 Releasing Shame and Embracing Joy

    26:00 The Transformative Power of Dance

    29:30 Permission to Feel Joy

    30:42 Embracing Grace and Self-Compassion

    34:35 Finding Inner Strength

    35:58 Key Moments of Growth

    38:58 Looking Forward: Embracing the Future

    43:12 Sharing Wisdom and Compassion

    45:46 It's A Wrap



    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com
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    47 mins
  • Unmasking: Thriving Outside the Lines I Neurodivergence, Masking & Intuition
    Jun 2 2026

    For over 40 years, Kylie Zeal was convinced something was fundamentally wrong with her brain. She masked. She tried to fit in. Then, three years ago, a diagnosis of neurodivergence, including ADHD and autism, changed everything. Not by fixing her, but by giving her permission to finally be herself.

    At 41, with no permanent home and no fixed address, Kylie discovered the kind of contentment most of us spend decades searching for by simply listening to what her body and mind were telling her. She explores masking: the exhausting performance of being someone you're not. She also reflects on how her late diagnosis forced her to develop invaluable tenacity and courage.

    This isn't just a story about neurodivergence and masking. It's also about listening to that quiet voice inside you that knows what you need, even when no one else understands.

    About Our Guest

    Kylie Zeal is a book coach and author who helps writers transform ideas, experiences, and expertise into meaningful fiction and non-fiction books. Proudly neurodivergent, she brings a distinctive perspective to manuscript analysis, helping authors strengthen clarity, structure, and authentic voice. Kylie has spent the past seven years travelling full-time while running her coaching business remotely.

    Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e10

    00:00 The Journey Begins: Embracing Change

    03:05 Facing Fears: The Courage to Leave Home

    05:10 Understanding Neurodivergence: A Personal Revelation

    07:41 Building a Life on My Terms

    09:52 The Power of Self-Advocacy

    12:21 Navigating Expectations: Finding My Path

    14:34 The Impact of Diagnosis: A New Perspective

    16:09 Living Authentically: The Freedom of Self-Discovery

    22:18 Exploring Happiness and Sensory Connections

    24:37 Living with Purpose and Spirituality

    26:57 Navigating Diagnosis and Personal Growth

    30:15 Understanding Masking and Authenticity

    34:13 Embracing Neurodiversity as Strength

    37:49 The Gift of Contentment and Trusting the Journey

    41:55 It's A Wrap



    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com
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    43 mins
  • Strong, Scared... Still Laughing: Kim’s Story I Mastectomy, Fear & Courage
    May 19 2026

    In this conversation, Kim Hey shares her intimate journey through a diagnosis that forced her to confront not just her mortality, but her identity. When calcifications were discovered in both breasts, Kim faced a pivotal choice: a double mastectomy to prevent breast cancer.

    But this isn't just a story about loss. It's a story about what happens when you refuse to let fear paralyse you. As a nurse, Kim understood the medical reality. As a woman, she wrestled with fears about her body image, her sexuality, and the self-identity she'd built through twelve years of pole dancing. Yet instead of retreating, Kim transformed her fear into action, turning to humour as a survival tool.

    Through booby parties, ceremonial bra burnings, and dancing with surgical drains attached, Kim discovered something profound: strength and vulnerability aren't opposites. They're dance partners. Kim's journey reminds us that our story doesn't end with bad news. It's just entering a different chapter.

    About Our Guest

    Kim Hey is 55 and a sister, mum, nurse, wife, and soon-to-be personal trainer, with a passion for pole fitness, body movement, and body positivity. She is committed to making fitness fun, empowering, and accessible, even after major surgery.

    Read the full show notes on our Substack: https://whatsfear.substack.com/p/s2e9

    00:00 A Life-Changing Diagnosis

    02:48 Navigating Fear and Body Image

    05:10 Finding Humor and Support

    07:48 Embracing Change and Self-Discovery

    09:43 Reclaiming Identity Through Movement

    12:27 Community and Connection

    14:35 Post-Surgery Acceptance and Growth

    17:02 The Journey of Self-Love and Healing

    22:46 Emotional Journey Through Writing

    24:18 Navigating Multiple Journeys

    25:44 Discovering Strength Post-Surgery

    27:36 Emotional Growth and Self-Awareness

    29:53 Grief and Acceptance

    31:43 Finding New Identity

    33:39 Words of Wisdom for Pre-Op Self

    36:31 Gifts of the Experience

    38:43 It's A Wrap



    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whatsfear.substack.com
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    40 mins
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